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	<title>Comments on: Politics, Religion, and Paradise &#8211; Speculations on Eden of the East</title>
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		<title>By: Alastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 04:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi ETERNAL,

I know you must have a large amount of Stuffs on your plate, but do try to check Ergo Proxy out! Its dystopian, dark, and mostly serious atmosphere is just the thing for balancing out all of the lighter fare we seem to be getting these days.  And Re-l Meyer... if she isn&#039;t an Amy Lee clone (Evanescence) I dunno what is LOL (And that&#039;s definitely not a bad thing!)

But my favorite character is probably little Pino; just SO adorable. She could be seen as the true &quot;heart&quot; of the story given its nature, but I don&#039;t want to give too much away ;-) 

From what I remember, Radiohead&#039;s Thom Yorke had nixed the idea of using Paranoid Android for the ED but upon watching a few episodes enthusiastically gave his okay.  Too bad this series flew under so many radars... it&#039;s quite unique!

And the OP is great too, speaking of a Western rock feel... plus it gives a nice overview of the main characters:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc

(If you do find some episodes, try to find the DVD versions as the broadcast ones all seemed way too dark. I was so impressed with the series that I bought the box set from Geneon, and it&#039;s one of my faves :-D )

And after having watched more Higashi no Eden (getting back to the subject at hand), it&#039;s really growing on me (personally, the mark of a potentially REALLY favorite series) and I can&#039;t wait to see what happens next! It just gets better and better...

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alastors last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://unbound.org/wordpress/?p=114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Craft-Work and Art of the AMV, Part One&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ETERNAL,</p>
<p>I know you must have a large amount of Stuffs on your plate, but do try to check Ergo Proxy out! Its dystopian, dark, and mostly serious atmosphere is just the thing for balancing out all of the lighter fare we seem to be getting these days.  And Re-l Meyer&#8230; if she isn&#8217;t an Amy Lee clone (Evanescence) I dunno what is LOL (And that&#8217;s definitely not a bad thing!)</p>
<p>But my favorite character is probably little Pino; just SO adorable. She could be seen as the true &#8220;heart&#8221; of the story given its nature, but I don&#8217;t want to give too much away ;-) </p>
<p>From what I remember, Radiohead&#8217;s Thom Yorke had nixed the idea of using Paranoid Android for the ED but upon watching a few episodes enthusiastically gave his okay.  Too bad this series flew under so many radars&#8230; it&#8217;s quite unique!</p>
<p>And the OP is great too, speaking of a Western rock feel&#8230; plus it gives a nice overview of the main characters:  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4oT2W3gaUBc</a></p>
<p>(If you do find some episodes, try to find the DVD versions as the broadcast ones all seemed way too dark. I was so impressed with the series that I bought the box set from Geneon, and it&#8217;s one of my faves :-D )</p>
<p>And after having watched more Higashi no Eden (getting back to the subject at hand), it&#8217;s really growing on me (personally, the mark of a potentially REALLY favorite series) and I can&#8217;t wait to see what happens next! It just gets better and better&#8230;</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Alastors last blog post..<a href="http://unbound.org/wordpress/?p=114" rel="nofollow">The Craft-Work and Art of the AMV, Part One</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: ETERNAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETERNAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 02:22:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ Alastor:&lt;/b&gt; Thanks for commenting! It&#039;s interesting to see you mention Ergo Proxy; I haven&#039;t seen the show yet, but it looks like the kind of thing that Western rock music could fit quite well if used effectively. I&#039;ll be keeping my eye out for the song whenever I do get around to watching it :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ Alastor:</b> Thanks for commenting! It&#8217;s interesting to see you mention Ergo Proxy; I haven&#8217;t seen the show yet, but it looks like the kind of thing that Western rock music could fit quite well if used effectively. I&#8217;ll be keeping my eye out for the song whenever I do get around to watching it :P</p>
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		<title>By: Alastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 07:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ETERNAL,
Finally getting around to commenting on your excellent Blog, hi :-)

AND finally catching up with Eden; what with preparing to move I&#039;m several weeks behind ;_; 

As the above Reply-er mentioned, Eden is one of my favorite series of the Spring as well. I really enjoyed your analysis of the OP and ED; the themes fit in remarkably well with the novel I&#039;ve mentioned to you previously, especially the lyric(s) that A Day Without Me quoted, the first one specifically (and repeatedly), and the second by implication. One of the points I drive home is the question of what exactly is &quot;God&quot; without &quot;dogma&quot;... the answer lies closer to &quot;the Truth&quot; than whatever thousand-year-old decrees (over)state. 

I rather doubt that the series will delve deeply into those themes that you mention from what little I&#039;ve seen after just 3 eps (I hope so though); it sure will be interesting to see in what direction the creators take us with only 11 eps scheduled! Eden oozes quality, intelligence, and deeper thought... and surely deserves more time to tell its story. And Saki is love. I&#039;m just sayin&#039;.

Having Oasis doing the OP lends another pound of credibility toward having anime in general being seen by more of &quot;the mainstream&quot; as Something Serious other than the heavily-promoted &quot;kiddie fare&quot; that airs hereabouts and presumed to be the norm by those unaware of the medium. At least Oasis fans might check it out LOL (and that would be A Good Thing ;-) )

The effective OP reminds me of Radiohead&#039;s &quot;Paranoid Android&quot; ED for Ergo Proxy, which was a touch of genius that added much to the atmosphere of that excellent anime. I&#039;m hugely in favor of anything that helps to bring anime to its deserved position in the forefront of the creative arts, and popular music is a good tool to use to that end. (As you know, my Blog&#039;s surreptitious and subversive purpose is slanted more towards enlightening the anime-unaware rather than catering to the old hands who have more than enough to chew on already, and attempts to &quot;deliver the word&quot; to those innocents who stumble in expecting to read about the Novel or other things *wicked laughter* )

Incidentally, aside from The Apple, I loved the &quot;pencils-as-missiles&quot; motif in the ED! Lots of thought obviously went into both of the bookend songs :-D

Thanks, and keep up the excellent work!

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Alastors last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://unbound.org/wordpress/?p=114&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Craft-Work and Art of the AMV, Part One&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ETERNAL,<br />
Finally getting around to commenting on your excellent Blog, hi :-)</p>
<p>AND finally catching up with Eden; what with preparing to move I&#8217;m several weeks behind ;_; </p>
<p>As the above Reply-er mentioned, Eden is one of my favorite series of the Spring as well. I really enjoyed your analysis of the OP and ED; the themes fit in remarkably well with the novel I&#8217;ve mentioned to you previously, especially the lyric(s) that A Day Without Me quoted, the first one specifically (and repeatedly), and the second by implication. One of the points I drive home is the question of what exactly is &#8220;God&#8221; without &#8220;dogma&#8221;&#8230; the answer lies closer to &#8220;the Truth&#8221; than whatever thousand-year-old decrees (over)state. </p>
<p>I rather doubt that the series will delve deeply into those themes that you mention from what little I&#8217;ve seen after just 3 eps (I hope so though); it sure will be interesting to see in what direction the creators take us with only 11 eps scheduled! Eden oozes quality, intelligence, and deeper thought&#8230; and surely deserves more time to tell its story. And Saki is love. I&#8217;m just sayin&#8217;.</p>
<p>Having Oasis doing the OP lends another pound of credibility toward having anime in general being seen by more of &#8220;the mainstream&#8221; as Something Serious other than the heavily-promoted &#8220;kiddie fare&#8221; that airs hereabouts and presumed to be the norm by those unaware of the medium. At least Oasis fans might check it out LOL (and that would be A Good Thing ;-) )</p>
<p>The effective OP reminds me of Radiohead&#8217;s &#8220;Paranoid Android&#8221; ED for Ergo Proxy, which was a touch of genius that added much to the atmosphere of that excellent anime. I&#8217;m hugely in favor of anything that helps to bring anime to its deserved position in the forefront of the creative arts, and popular music is a good tool to use to that end. (As you know, my Blog&#8217;s surreptitious and subversive purpose is slanted more towards enlightening the anime-unaware rather than catering to the old hands who have more than enough to chew on already, and attempts to &#8220;deliver the word&#8221; to those innocents who stumble in expecting to read about the Novel or other things *wicked laughter* )</p>
<p>Incidentally, aside from The Apple, I loved the &#8220;pencils-as-missiles&#8221; motif in the ED! Lots of thought obviously went into both of the bookend songs :-D</p>
<p>Thanks, and keep up the excellent work!</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Alastors last blog post..<a href="http://unbound.org/wordpress/?p=114" rel="nofollow">The Craft-Work and Art of the AMV, Part One</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Eden of the East: Theories on a Conspiracy, or: Tinfoil Pope Hats &#171; Anime wa Bakuhatsu da!</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eden of the East: Theories on a Conspiracy, or: Tinfoil Pope Hats &#171; Anime wa Bakuhatsu da!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2009 16:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Identity [-&gt;], a giant Biblical allegory cleverly disguised as a political suspense thriller [-&gt;],  or a noitaminA love-love romance series cleverly disguised as a giant Biblical allegory [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Identity [-&gt;], a giant Biblical allegory cleverly disguised as a political suspense thriller [-&gt;],  or a noitaminA love-love romance series cleverly disguised as a giant Biblical allegory [...]</p>
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		<title>By: ETERNAL</title>
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		<dc:creator>ETERNAL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Apr 2009 00:25:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;@ omo:&lt;/b&gt; In a word, brilliant. That hadn&#039;t crossed my mind at all, but reading what you said, it makes perfect sense. I&#039;m not sure if any of this was intentional or if these themes and devices will really come into play later on, but your theory is sound.

&lt;b&gt;@ OGT:&lt;/b&gt; Gotta love candy. It&#039;s all speculation at this point, but that whole sunrise/sunset idea sounds great. Again, no one knows how much of this is true and how much is the crazy ramblings of fans, but it certainly make sense.

&lt;b&gt;@ Martin:&lt;/b&gt; Well, the politics is the one thing we&#039;re certain of. I doubt the religious references are coincidental, but they might not be deep either - much like Evangelion, they could just be there to fill the space and create the illusion of depth. (I think; I watched Eva years ago and never read any solid analyses.)

&lt;b&gt;@ IKnight:&lt;/b&gt; Interesting. I haven&#039;t read the play, and I probably couldn&#039;t decipher Shakespeare without an external aid of some sort, but it looks like you did your figurative (or literal) homework.

&lt;b&gt;@ A Day Without Me:&lt;/b&gt; Good point. I didn&#039;t look too hard at the lyrics in this song in particular because I figured the band didn&#039;t write it with the show in mind, but I suppose Production I.G. would have chosen the song for a reason. Upon closer inspection, it matches surprisingly well with the whole messiah/savior idea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>@ omo:</b> In a word, brilliant. That hadn&#8217;t crossed my mind at all, but reading what you said, it makes perfect sense. I&#8217;m not sure if any of this was intentional or if these themes and devices will really come into play later on, but your theory is sound.</p>
<p><b>@ OGT:</b> Gotta love candy. It&#8217;s all speculation at this point, but that whole sunrise/sunset idea sounds great. Again, no one knows how much of this is true and how much is the crazy ramblings of fans, but it certainly make sense.</p>
<p><b>@ Martin:</b> Well, the politics is the one thing we&#8217;re certain of. I doubt the religious references are coincidental, but they might not be deep either &#8211; much like Evangelion, they could just be there to fill the space and create the illusion of depth. (I think; I watched Eva years ago and never read any solid analyses.)</p>
<p><b>@ IKnight:</b> Interesting. I haven&#8217;t read the play, and I probably couldn&#8217;t decipher Shakespeare without an external aid of some sort, but it looks like you did your figurative (or literal) homework.</p>
<p><b>@ A Day Without Me:</b> Good point. I didn&#8217;t look too hard at the lyrics in this song in particular because I figured the band didn&#8217;t write it with the show in mind, but I suppose Production I.G. would have chosen the song for a reason. Upon closer inspection, it matches surprisingly well with the whole messiah/savior idea.</p>
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		<title>By: The Eden Of The East Opening (And Some Collected Discourse) &#171; Grand Punk Railroad</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Eden Of The East Opening (And Some Collected Discourse) &#171; Grand Punk Railroad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Apr 2009 12:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eternal puzzled out some of the meanings in the OP (I didn;t even bother to look up Noblesse Oblige, very pleased after finding out what it means) and came up with a couple of pretty credible theories.  IKnight also gives a handy insight into the source of the phrase &#8220;The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power&#8221;. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eternal puzzled out some of the meanings in the OP (I didn;t even bother to look up Noblesse Oblige, very pleased after finding out what it means) and came up with a couple of pretty credible theories.  IKnight also gives a handy insight into the source of the phrase &#8220;The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power&#8221;. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: sakura</title>
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		<dc:creator>sakura</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 22:28:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice dissection, I have to agree there is precious little to talk about.  Hopefully we get to delve a bit deeper next episode, so I can post something other than Saki is cute.

@ M12, the OP is performed by Noel Gallagher from the British band Oasis :)

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;sakuras last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://calamitousintents.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/sakura/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;SAKURA!!!!!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice dissection, I have to agree there is precious little to talk about.  Hopefully we get to delve a bit deeper next episode, so I can post something other than Saki is cute.</p>
<p>@ M12, the OP is performed by Noel Gallagher from the British band Oasis :)</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>sakuras last blog post..<a href="http://calamitousintents.wordpress.com/2009/04/25/sakura/" rel="nofollow">SAKURA!!!!!</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: M12</title>
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		<dc:creator>M12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 07:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice OP review. This is easiest my favourite show this season. Admittedly, I never paid that much attention to the opening. I just dismissed it as Engrish, which is wrong, or course. Hey, the characters in this show speak fluent English, which I was like &quot;woah&quot; over. So yeah, very nice :).

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;M12s last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://vjutsu.com/?p=1035&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Google Translate&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice OP review. This is easiest my favourite show this season. Admittedly, I never paid that much attention to the opening. I just dismissed it as Engrish, which is wrong, or course. Hey, the characters in this show speak fluent English, which I was like &#8220;woah&#8221; over. So yeah, very nice :).</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>M12s last blog post..<a href="http://vjutsu.com/?p=1035" rel="nofollow">Google Translate</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: Omisyth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Omisyth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 20:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post, made me realise how layered the OP could be seen to be. Didn&#039;t notice the apple either. Delicious symbolism.

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;Omisyths last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://omisyth.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/a-short-note-on-anime-watching/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A Short Note On Anime Watching&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post, made me realise how layered the OP could be seen to be. Didn&#8217;t notice the apple either. Delicious symbolism.</p>
<p><abbr><em><abbr><em>Omisyths last blog post..<a href="http://omisyth.wordpress.com/2009/04/22/a-short-note-on-anime-watching/" rel="nofollow">A Short Note On Anime Watching</a></em></abbr></em></abbr></p>
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		<title>By: NyaChan</title>
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		<dc:creator>NyaChan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 00:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t really have anything to add, just a minor comment. Skimming this post, looking up the OP and ED, then reading this post has made me decide to at least watch a little of Eden of the East ( Despite my backlog in anime. &gt;_&lt;; ). :D

&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;abbr&gt;&lt;em&gt;NyaChans last blog post..&lt;a href=&quot;http://nyachan.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/kashimashi-marathon/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kashimashi Marathon&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t really have anything to add, just a minor comment. Skimming this post, looking up the OP and ED, then reading this post has made me decide to at least watch a little of Eden of the East ( Despite my backlog in anime. &gt;_&lt;; ). :D</p>
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