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	<title>Comments on: Fate/stay night in Review: Symbols and Motifs, Tying the Thematic Threads</title>
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		<title>By: Aorii</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aorii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:43:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very nice exploration of the Fate/stay night themes. Although, the com­par­i­sons you identified regarding Heroism and self could also be applied to a number of other themes within the Fat­e­v­erse. To broaden out the scope, one can say that Nasu’s writ­ings are a crit­i­cal analy­sis by sto­ry­telling on “the def­i­n­i­tion of ideal within different scopes of black and white”.

My attempts to delve into this further quickly ended up as a &lt;a&gt;sizable post of its own&lt;/a&gt;, so I won&#039;t spam your comments here.

Now since you&#039;ve finished the Visual Novel, I recommend picking up the &lt;em&gt;Fate/zero&lt;/em&gt; at &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Baka-tsuki&lt;/a&gt; if you haven&#039;t already. It may not be written by Nasu, but it certainly does a great job of continuing the Fate/stay night saga, keeping up parallels on existing themes of the story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very nice exploration of the Fate/stay night themes. Although, the com­par­i­sons you identified regarding Heroism and self could also be applied to a number of other themes within the Fat­e­v­erse. To broaden out the scope, one can say that Nasu’s writ­ings are a crit­i­cal analy­sis by sto­ry­telling on “the def­i­n­i­tion of ideal within different scopes of black and white”.</p>
<p>My attempts to delve into this further quickly ended up as a <a>sizable post of its own</a>, so I won&#8217;t spam your comments here.</p>
<p>Now since you&#8217;ve finished the Visual Novel, I recommend picking up the <em>Fate/zero</em> at <a href="http://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Fate/Zero" rel="nofollow">Baka-tsuki</a> if you haven&#8217;t already. It may not be written by Nasu, but it certainly does a great job of continuing the Fate/stay night saga, keeping up parallels on existing themes of the story.</p>
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		<title>By: The Paths of Ideals and Kingship — Another look at Fate of Nasuverse &#124; zanaikin &#124; Major Arcana</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Paths of Ideals and Kingship — Another look at Fate of Nasuverse &#124; zanaikin &#124; Major Arcana</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 16:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Eternal’s review on the themes of Fate/stay night has got­ten my brains crank­ing again regard­ing this epic [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Eternal’s review on the themes of Fate/stay night has got­ten my brains crank­ing again regard­ing this epic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 19:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Phew...blimey. It never ceases to amaze me how everyone who works their way through this finds something new to add! I recall reading IKnight&#039;s and Owen&#039;s posts and thinking &quot;how can an interactive on-screen light novel thingy possibly say so much?&quot; but eventually understood for myself by the end.

What amazes me more than anything though is how watertight the writing is. I don&#039;t want to draw attention away from Takeuchi&#039;s artwork but Nasu&#039;s world-building is in a class of its own. No matter what angle I view it from I end up discovering something new to think about...then read someone else&#039;s take on it and think it over even more...

What F/S N does, even more so than Tsukihime and possibly as much as Kara no Kyoukai, is do a merry dance all over the viewer&#039;s preconceptions regarding morality. Even the times when it sets a point of reference for who and what is &#039;good&#039; or &#039;bad&#039; it shifts perspectives, casts everything in a new light and makes you question some really fundamental concepts. Having characters from different periods of history really highlights how, when you&#039;re talking about thoughts and actions, good and bad is relative.

I could go all tl;dr on this story all over again but one thing that really stuck with me is the way that love and devotion shine through in the darkest places. The whole story is mindblowing (I really want to re-read it now, thanks to you!) but it&#039;s amazing how I was often on the edge of my seat and occasionally shocked and disgusted but ultimately very moved by the emotional side of things. The memes have given it some noteriety but the levels of gore and smut shouldn&#039;t hide the fact that it&#039;s a superb and well-told story. Glad you enjoyed it, anyway -  thanks for giving me such a great read too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Phew&#8230;blimey. It never ceases to amaze me how everyone who works their way through this finds something new to add! I recall reading IKnight&#8217;s and Owen&#8217;s posts and thinking &#8220;how can an interactive on-screen light novel thingy possibly say so much?&#8221; but eventually understood for myself by the end.</p>
<p>What amazes me more than anything though is how watertight the writing is. I don&#8217;t want to draw attention away from Takeuchi&#8217;s artwork but Nasu&#8217;s world-building is in a class of its own. No matter what angle I view it from I end up discovering something new to think about&#8230;then read someone else&#8217;s take on it and think it over even more&#8230;</p>
<p>What F/S N does, even more so than Tsukihime and possibly as much as Kara no Kyoukai, is do a merry dance all over the viewer&#8217;s preconceptions regarding morality. Even the times when it sets a point of reference for who and what is &#8216;good&#8217; or &#8216;bad&#8217; it shifts perspectives, casts everything in a new light and makes you question some really fundamental concepts. Having characters from different periods of history really highlights how, when you&#8217;re talking about thoughts and actions, good and bad is relative.</p>
<p>I could go all tl;dr on this story all over again but one thing that really stuck with me is the way that love and devotion shine through in the darkest places. The whole story is mindblowing (I really want to re-read it now, thanks to you!) but it&#8217;s amazing how I was often on the edge of my seat and occasionally shocked and disgusted but ultimately very moved by the emotional side of things. The memes have given it some noteriety but the levels of gore and smut shouldn&#8217;t hide the fact that it&#8217;s a superb and well-told story. Glad you enjoyed it, anyway &#8211;  thanks for giving me such a great read too!</p>
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		<title>By: Blowfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blowfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 17:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Review and Analysis of the Visual Novel.
Theres nothing much I can really add here and I already mentioned why I prefered the UBW Route Over Heavens Feel while both easily beat the Fate Route in many,many ways.

Overall I really liked how the Novel played with what a hero is,believes and sacrifices.The biggest strength is how UBW and HF showed us true different realities where Shirou once sacrificied himself for his believes and where he sacrificied his believes for himself.
The Reader himself has to decide which Route he would take and whats wrong or right

The Fate Route in contrast merely serves as an introduction and is in itself nothing more than a simple action story with a boy lending powers of a heroic spirit to defeat evil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Review and Analysis of the Visual Novel.<br />
Theres nothing much I can really add here and I already mentioned why I prefered the UBW Route Over Heavens Feel while both easily beat the Fate Route in many,many ways.</p>
<p>Overall I really liked how the Novel played with what a hero is,believes and sacrifices.The biggest strength is how UBW and HF showed us true different realities where Shirou once sacrificied himself for his believes and where he sacrificied his believes for himself.<br />
The Reader himself has to decide which Route he would take and whats wrong or right</p>
<p>The Fate Route in contrast merely serves as an introduction and is in itself nothing more than a simple action story with a boy lending powers of a heroic spirit to defeat evil.</p>
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		<title>By: AstroNerdBoy</title>
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		<dc:creator>AstroNerdBoy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 09:33:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I loved the anime and lots of people have told me I need to do the visual novel(s).  If I had more time.  Your review supports the notion of how interesting the VN is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loved the anime and lots of people have told me I need to do the visual novel(s).  If I had more time.  Your review supports the notion of how interesting the VN is.</p>
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		<title>By: Hirobot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hirobot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 05:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome review.  I am so intrigued by Fate/stay night already.  I might just have to check it out soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome review.  I am so intrigued by Fate/stay night already.  I might just have to check it out soon.</p>
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